{"id":1641,"date":"2008-07-07T09:04:28","date_gmt":"2008-07-07T07:04:28","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.wjst.de\/blog\/?p=1641"},"modified":"2009-05-20T21:43:40","modified_gmt":"2009-05-20T19:43:40","slug":"dum-eadem-res-intelligatur","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.wjst.de\/blog\/sciencesurf\/2008\/07\/dum-eadem-res-intelligatur\/","title":{"rendered":"dum eadem res intelligatur"},"content":{"rendered":"

Reading now Jan Assmann’s<\/a> brilliant “Moses the Egyptian<\/a>” I found Varro<\/a> quoted (116-27 BC) –<\/p>\n

Nihil interesse censens quo nomine nuncupetur, dum eadem res intelligatur<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

names may be of less interest as long as the “right things” are being meant.
\nThe book was recommended to me by a guide in the new Munich synagogue<\/a> as an unorthodox view of Moses and the origin of monotheism. There is even (p80) a Romanian epigram<\/a><\/p>\n

\nOgygidae me Bacchum vocant,
\nOsirin Aegypti putant,
\nMysi Phanacem nominant,
\nDionyson Indi existimant,
\nRomana sacra Liberum,
\nArabica gens Adoneum,
\nLucaniacus Pantheum.\n<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

that shows the contemporary belief in universal<\/strong> regious truths and the relativity<\/strong> of religious institutions which is even taken up again in the 18th century by Mozart (Freimaurer Kantate KV 623<\/a>, not KV 619 as Assmann writes) or Goethe’s Faust<\/p>\n

\nWer darf ihn nennen
\nund wer bekennen:
\nIch glaub Ihn!
\nWer empfinden
\nund sich unterwinden
\nzu sagen: Ich glaub Ihn nicht!
\nDer Allumfasser,
\nder Allerhalter,
\nfa\u00dft und erh\u00e4lt Er nicht
\ndich, mich, sich selbst?\n<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

There may be a difference in early Christian understanding as Paul writes to Philippi (a Romanian city..)<\/p>\n

Php 2:9 \u00ce\u00b4\u00ce\u00b9\u00ce\u00bf\u00cc\u20ac \u00ce\u00ba\u00ce\u00b1\u00ce\u00b9\u00cc\u20ac \u00ce\u00bf\u00cc\u201d \u00ce\u02dc\u00ce\u00b5\u00ce\u00bf\u00cc\u20ac\u00cf\u201a \u00ce\u00b1\u00cf\u2026\u00cc\u201c\u00cf\u201e\u00ce\u00bf\u00cc\u20ac\u00ce\u00bd \u00cf\u2026\u00cc\u201d\u00cf\u20ac\u00ce\u00b5\u00cf\u0081\u00cf\u2026\u00cc\u0081\u00cf\u02c6\u00cf\u2030\u00cf\u0192\u00ce\u00b5 \u00ce\u00ba\u00ce\u00b1\u00ce\u00b9\u00cc\u20ac \u00ce\u00b5\u00cc\u201c\u00cf\u2021\u00ce\u00b1\u00cf\u0081\u00ce\u00b9\u00cc\u0081\u00cf\u0192\u00ce\u00b1\u00cf\u201e\u00ce\u00bf \u00ce\u00b1\u00cf\u2026\u00cc\u201c\u00cf\u201e\u00cf\u2030\u00cd\u2026\u00cd\u201a \u00e1\u00bd\u201e\u00ce\u00bd\u00ce\u00bf\u00ce\u00bc\u00ce\u00b1 \u00cf\u201e\u00ce\u00bf\u00cc\u20ac \u00cf\u2026\u00cc\u201d\u00cf\u20ac\u00ce\u00b5\u00cc\u20ac\u00cf\u0081 \u00cf\u20ac\u00ce\u00b1\u00cd\u201a\u00ce\u00bd \u00e1\u00bd\u201e\u00ce\u00bd\u00ce\u00bf\u00ce\u00bc\u00ce\u00b1<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

where names matter<\/a>, yea, yea.<\/p>\n

Addendum next day<\/h3>\n

The sermon of Athens comes to my mind<\/p>\n

Act 17:23 \u00ce\u00ba\u00ce\u00b1\u00ce\u00b9\u00cc\u20ac \u00ce\u00b2\u00cf\u2030\u00ce\u00bc\u00ce\u00bf\u00cc\u20ac\u00ce\u00bd \u00ce\u00b5\u00cc\u201c\u00ce\u00bd \u00e1\u00bd\u00a7\u00cd\u2026 \u00ce\u00b5\u00cc\u201c\u00cf\u20ac\u00ce\u00b5\u00ce\u00b3\u00ce\u00b5\u00cc\u0081\u00ce\u00b3\u00cf\u0081\u00ce\u00b1\u00cf\u20ac\u00cf\u201e\u00ce\u00bf, \u00e1\u00be\u00bf\u00ce\u2018\u00ce\u00b3\u00ce\u00bd\u00cf\u2030\u00cc\u0081\u00cf\u0192\u00cf\u201e\u00cf\u2030\u00cd\u2026 \u00ce\u02dc\u00ce\u00b5\u00cf\u2030\u00cd\u2026\u00cd\u201a. \u00e1\u00bd\u0192\u00ce\u00bd \u00ce\u00bf\u00e1\u00bd\u2013\u00ce\u00bd \u00ce\u00b1\u00cc\u201c\u00ce\u00b3\u00ce\u00bd\u00ce\u00bf\u00ce\u00bf\u00cf\u2026\u00cd\u201a\u00ce\u00bd\u00cf\u201e\u00ce\u00b5\u00cf\u201a \u00ce\u00b5\u00cf\u2026\u00cc\u201c\u00cf\u0192\u00ce\u00b5\u00ce\u00b2\u00ce\u00b5\u00ce\u00b9\u00cd\u201a\u00cf\u201e\u00ce\u00b5, \u00cf\u201e\u00ce\u00bf\u00cf\u2026\u00cd\u201a\u00cf\u201e\u00ce\u00bf\u00ce\u00bd \u00ce\u00b5\u00cc\u201c\u00ce\u00b3\u00cf\u2030\u00cc\u20ac \u00ce\u00ba\u00ce\u00b1\u00cf\u201e\u00ce\u00b1\u00ce\u00b3\u00ce\u00b3\u00ce\u00b5\u00cc\u0081\u00ce\u00bb\u00ce\u00bb\u00cf\u2030 \u00cf\u2026\u00cc\u201d\u00ce\u00bc\u00ce\u00b9\u00cd\u201a\u00ce\u00bd<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

the god that you are worshipping without knowing him (by name?)<\/p>\n\n

 <\/p>\n

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Reading now Jan Assmann’s brilliant “Moses the Egyptian” I found Varro quoted (116-27 BC) – Nihil interesse censens quo nomine nuncupetur, dum eadem res intelligatur names may be of less interest as long as the “right things” are being meant. The book was recommended to me by a guide in the new Munich synagogue as … Continue reading dum eadem res intelligatur<\/span> →<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[15],"tags":[1964,1960,1962,1961],"class_list":["post-1641","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-science-theology","tag-assmann","tag-new-munich-synagogue","tag-religious-institutions","tag-romanian-city"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.wjst.de\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1641","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.wjst.de\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.wjst.de\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.wjst.de\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.wjst.de\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=1641"}],"version-history":[{"count":1,"href":"https:\/\/www.wjst.de\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1641\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":2372,"href":"https:\/\/www.wjst.de\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1641\/revisions\/2372"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.wjst.de\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=1641"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.wjst.de\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=1641"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.wjst.de\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=1641"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}