{"id":26059,"date":"2025-12-08T14:22:21","date_gmt":"2025-12-08T12:22:21","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.wjst.de\/blog\/?p=26059"},"modified":"2025-12-24T08:05:01","modified_gmt":"2025-12-24T06:05:01","slug":"why-the-immunity-debt-narrative-ultimately-collapsed","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.wjst.de\/blog\/sciencesurf\/2025\/12\/why-the-immunity-debt-narrative-ultimately-collapsed\/","title":{"rendered":"Why the \u201cimmunity debt\u201d narrative ultimately collapsed"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>There was an interesting Bluesky post.<\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_26060\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-26060\" style=\"width: 594px\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.wjst.de\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/12\/Bildschirmfoto-2025-12-08-um-12.00.27.jpg\" rel=\"key\" data-rel=\"key-image-0\" data-rl_title=\"\" data-rl_caption=\"\" title=\"\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-26060 size-full\" src=\"https:\/\/www.wjst.de\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/12\/Bildschirmfoto-2025-12-08-um-12.00.27.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"594\" height=\"688\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.wjst.de\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/12\/Bildschirmfoto-2025-12-08-um-12.00.27.jpg 594w, https:\/\/www.wjst.de\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/12\/Bildschirmfoto-2025-12-08-um-12.00.27-432x500.jpg 432w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 594px) 100vw, 594px\" \/><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-26060\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">https:\/\/bsky.app\/profile\/nicktsergas.ca\/post\/3m7h36uha4k2e<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>I agree. <a href=\"https:\/\/www.tagesspiegel.de\/politik\/muss-auch-glauben-durch-ein-steak-seine-verdauung-zu-trainieren-4299328.html\">Drosten said in 2022<\/a> that someone who believes that they can train their immune system through an infection should, also believe that &#8220;by eating a steak they can train their digestion&#8221;. The immunity depth hypothesis was as nonsense as the hygiene hypothesis that immunity is depraved by modern hygiene.<\/p>\n<p>In reality, post-pandemic seasons returned to historical volatility rather than showing any sustained amplification. RSV and influenza displayed timing shifts and one-off rebounds, but no long-term increase in total burden.<\/p>\n<p>Nations with long and strict NPIs (like New Zealand, Taiwan) should have shown the largest rebound. By 2025 this clearly did not occur. Conversely, countries with minimal restrictions (Sweden, GB) still experienced unusual RSV and influenza patterns, demonstrating the hypothesis being wrong, but <a href=\"https:\/\/www.bylinesupplement.com\/p\/230000-deaths-and-the-calculated\">taking a huge death toll<\/a> from their believers.<\/p>\n<p>Memory B &amp; T cells persist; mucosal training is complex but not any \u201cuse-it-or-lose-it\u201c. The role of routine pathogen turnover was over- and homeostatic immune regulation underestimated.<\/p>\n\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<div class=\"bottom-note\">\n  <span class=\"mod1\">CC-BY-NC Science Surf , accessed 10.04.2026<\/span>\n <\/div>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>There was an interesting Bluesky post. I agree. Drosten said in 2022 that someone who believes that they can train their immune system through an infection should, also believe that &#8220;by eating a steak they can train their digestion&#8221;. The immunity depth hypothesis was as nonsense as the hygiene hypothesis that immunity is depraved by &hellip; <a href=\"https:\/\/www.wjst.de\/blog\/sciencesurf\/2025\/12\/why-the-immunity-debt-narrative-ultimately-collapsed\/\" class=\"more-link\">Continue reading <span class=\"screen-reader-text\">Why the \u201cimmunity debt\u201d narrative ultimately collapsed<\/span> <span class=\"meta-nav\">&rarr;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[2,20],"tags":[199,717],"class_list":["post-26059","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-genetics-biology","category-note-worthy","tag-allergy","tag-hygiene"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.wjst.de\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/26059","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.wjst.de\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.wjst.de\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.wjst.de\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.wjst.de\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=26059"}],"version-history":[{"count":10,"href":"https:\/\/www.wjst.de\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/26059\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":26084,"href":"https:\/\/www.wjst.de\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/26059\/revisions\/26084"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.wjst.de\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=26059"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.wjst.de\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=26059"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.wjst.de\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=26059"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}